Wednesday, February 23, 2011

Getting Pregnant in Medical School (As if I Needed Another (Potential) Reason to Drop Out)

Like most medical schools, mine has a number of lunch lectures given at any time during the week. Different interest and student-run organizations sponsor them and very often, there is food served. Today, we had a lecture sponsored by a national women’s organization, of which I am a local officer. The theme of this lecture was when to have children in medical school.

Last year, I remember being traumatized by a similar lecture. It was only second in the shock factor to a lecture sponsored by the Catholic Student Association on natural birth control. (By the way, I am in full support of both Catholics and natural birth control, but if you are hosting a lunch lecture combining the two, you should warn people before you put up images of cervical mucus while they are eating. Also, comparing taking oral contraceptives to setting off an atom bomb would be considered...excessive by some.)

Anyway, what was traumatic was not the idea of having children in medical school, but the personal testimonies of the students, residents, and physicians on the panel. Last year, one of my professors (now a hospitalist) actually held back tears as she described giving up her coveted cardiology fellowship when she was pregnant with her third child. Her husband was also a cardiac fellow at the time and realizing that they couldn’t maintain the demands of both training programs, she conceded and started practicing internal medicine. She described the decision as a “lifelong regret.” Every time I see her smiling in lecture, I think about her sitting on that panel, swallowing her tears, and wonder if she ever resents her husband--the now cardiologist.

This year, the attendings and residents were all pro-babies, but of course, what is a lunch lecture on childbirth without instilling fear and trembling? One of the attendings told a story about when she was a resident and her colleague was pumping breastmilk for her newborn. If you’ve read Michelle Au’s blog, you already know that physicians and residents are forced to find literally whatever closet or unlocked stall they can for such a deed. In addition to the physical limitations of pumping, though, this resident only had enough time to pump during her break--not to eat.

So, at some point, she realized that the only thing she had time to consume was her freshly pumped breast milk.

She didn’t do this because of some weird fetish or compulsion. Acknowledging the time restraints and inherent nutritional value of breast milk, she did this to survive. As the attending told this story, laughing, a wave of horror spread through the auditorium. I mean, I feel like medical schools should be obligated to tell you these things when you are interviewing.

As a medical student, we will show you graphic images of cervical mucus viscosity, while you are eating, during your precious one meal break of the day. But don’t worry, it won’t be as bad as when you are a resident and are forced to drink your own breast milk to survive.

The resounding theme of the panel was that you need to hire good help—and lots of it. Many of the panelists have their in-laws living with them and recommend moving closer to home for this reason. As I was thinking about the cost and logistics of all of this, I was beginning to realize that if I want to procreate in medical school, I’ll probably need to marry someone wealthy, with obsessive parents who always want to be around. Except…that situation sounds strangely reminiscent of my relationship with Rich.

Crap.

Unfortunately, Rich did not satisfy the other requirement of surviving motherhood in medicine—being a supportive spouse. Many of the panelists talked about how awesome their husbands are, with their regular working hours and doting paternal tendencies. One attending said that her husband used to wake up at 4 a.m. during her surgery rotations just to make her a peanut butter and jelly sandwich before she left. Let me tell you, Rich would never have done something that. So, I’m good.

Except, I’m not good. Having babies in medical school terrifies me and even though I’m going to be really, really old (no, you don’t need to post statistics about aging eggs and fertility, because I know), I don’t want to have children until after my medical training is over.

I love and support my friends who have made the opposite decision, but I don’t think I could muster the finances or emotions to pull it off. I mean, where does one find the loan money to hire a live-in nanny? My loan money currently supports a family of one. I didn’t really know it could stretch further than that.

So, are any of you mothers in medicine? What are your thoughts about this? Am I just being irrational or squeamish? And for heaven’s sake, please tell me if you have resorted to drinking your own breast milk before, because I need to know these things up front.

22 comments:

K said...

While I can't answer your questions, I would like to say that I love this post. It is something my husband and I have discussed.

We have decided that if I get into medical school, we'd have a baby after my husband finishes residency so that we have more time. The fact I'm so far behind my husband in terms of getting into med school makes this a possibility. If he were my cohort, it wouldn't workout for quite some time! :S

I do have in-laws who would love to look after any babies, but practically, I have no idea if our medical training/schooling will be in their city! Not to mention my babies wouldn't speak English as a first language and would be forced to imbibe Chinese medicine concoctions.

I think these things just have a way of working out and it is so highly dependent on the couple.

E. Greene said...

I can't really say anything about having a kid as a medical student or a physician, but I did go back to work when I was an EKG tech about six weeks after my son was born.

One of my coworkers encouraged me to check out the maternity ward in our fairly small hospital. They had several really nice pumps and it was easy to swing by and borrow one (use your own tubing, etc). They actually had a room for employees to pump. You put a sign up on the door when you were using it. There was a small dedicated breast milk fridge. There was a phone.

I would take my beeper with me and if it went off while I was pumping I would just answer the page in the room where I was pumping. When I was really pressed for time I would bring food and eat while I was pumping.

Definitely the time restraints of physicians are a lot worse, but I think with some planning (including some granola bars in those huge white coat pockets) it's survivable. I knew a cardiologist who said that she used to dictate while pumping. She had two kids, then went into internal medicine, and decided to do her cardiology fellowship several years later.

There will be days where pumping doesn't happen the way you'd like it to (I ended up supplementing with formula). There will also probably be people at work who aren't terribly supportive, but in my experience, most of them were.

Old MD Girl said...

Yep, it's the money that's the main issue. Child care is expensive and that goes double for 24 hour a day child care. That's why so many people wait until fellowship.

Lyr said...

I never had a job that paid as much as being a doctor, but we did the math and realized after our second we would be paying someone to raise our own kids....

apotential said...

But having a 1-2 year old baby during intern year sounds like it'd be just as bad - if not definitely worse - than being pregnant during residency, doesn't it?

The only reasonable decision, for me, would have been to be a teenage mom. In-home childcare help from the grandma, AND the kids would've been old enough to fend for themselves when I went to medical school!

... only half-joking..

Britt said...

Oh man. I knew a few dental students who had a baby in school and I thought that would have been incredibly difficult - and their schedules were no where near as demanding as residency etc. I doubt I could do it and the idea of crying mothers drinking their own breast milk while pumping in a bathroom stall would cinch the deal.

Jill said...

RS,

Zoom out for a minute, for I was not nor will be in medical school. BUT- Carson and I were both in undergrad (and unmarried) when I got pregnant. I was to play a senior French horn recital and expected to practice at least two hours per day. I also had to go to other classes, recitals, and learn how to be a wife when Carson was home from class, you know, right before he went to work at some odd hour of the night.

At 213 lbs (I'm used to oh, 150), I very red-faced played the recital and finished the semester. After taking a semester off, I geared up for my final semester - student teaching - only to get pregnant the first WEEK of class!

This was just to make you chuckle. And now he's in medic school. Fast-forward program. Intense. Clinicals, ride time, bookwork, class, and over-time as an EMT making waaaaay less than 19k/YEAR.

Now the internet knows my life story.

Life is hard. The Spirit is able. You're not married yet, girl. Don't worry about kiddos anyway, right? <3

Red Stethoscope said...

apotential- I am RIGHT THERE with you! Where do the babies go after you have them in medical school? I guess this is why the in-laws moving in. We all should have been teen moms.

OldMDGirl-There are TONS of women who get pregnant in during medical school at my school. In the class ahead of me, I can think of at least six mothers. Three gave birth last year--one to TWINS; two have given birth this year and another is VERY pregnant. Maybe the culture differs by school?

Britt-I think the mother who drank her own breastmilk was before the advent of Powerbars, because there is NO REASON for that now.

Jill- You already know that you are my inspiration! CLEARLY, people make it work, but if I had a choice, I don't think I would voluntarily get pregnant during medical training (not like that's an option...unless Charlie knocks me up this weekend. KIDDING, PEOPLE! KIDDING.)

Old MD Girl said...

RS -- It probably does. By the time they graduated, only two women in my class had spawned. We have 50% right out of college, and the majority of the others who "took time off" took 1 year. I was one of three 29 year olds in my class and we were the old ones. So yeah, I'm guessing it varies a lot by school. Still, $$$ is really important unless you want your mom to move in with you.

Red Stethoscope said...

OMDG-Yep, I don't know how they finance it. Some of the women's husbands have well-paying jobs, but I'm guessing the rest just take out extra (private) loans.

Drew said...

I'm not a Dr. however, as a woman married to a Dr., who is still working on her own slice of a career the whole "when to have kids" question is a headache.

Where does the money come from? I don't know, but I think first, it depends on whether you're a two income family or one. Second, how high is your tolerance for accumulating debt? Dr. J and I are very sensitive to accumulating unnecessary debt so we haven't taken on more than we require to live bare-bones. It sucks sometimes but I'd rather wait to have kids than pay for help using loans.

Also, I'm thinking of pursuing my own path in the healthcare industry and the thought of two medical schedules is a little intimidating without a child in the picture.

P.S. Thank God for the invention of Powerbars, because I think I'd rather be hungry than drink my own breastmilk. :-)

Meagan said...

RS - it's crazy how deciding when to procreate is such a dilemma. Even though my dilemma is different because I'm not in medical school, it is still a big decision in my career. Basically, I'd be putting it on hold for about a year. Will that ruin momentum? Will I have to start over with my contacts after having worked at this for so long? I may be able to work commercially but I'll be out the running for most tv and film work. And this town has a short attention span. I'm kind of tired of putting my life on hold but logistically it is tough to figure out when the right time is - especially since I'm not getting younger. I'm irrationally jealous of Natalie Portman - established career, knocked up, probably going to win an Oscar this weekend...I know this is a bit of a non sequiter from your struggles with timing but just wanted to vent. We're in different boats but in the same ocean ;)

CM said...

Wow, we lawyers complain about work/life balance, but you definitely have us beat. On one hand, once you're done with your training, you have the potential to have a lot more flexibility over your schedule. One the other hand, once you're finally done with your training, your childbearing years are coming to an end! Those stories you told about the panelists are so sad (and in the case of the milk-drinker, sort of horrifying -- why was she bothering to pump if she was just going to drink it, and is it really that hard to stash a granola bar in your purpose and eat while pumping?)

CM said...

oops, purse -- I've never tried stashing a granola bar in my purpose but it would probably be hard.

Red Stethoscope said...

CM-I'm right there with you on the granola bar thing. I think she was pumping to prevent engorgement later on (she was probably breastfeeding on her off hours). This also had to be before the advent of Powerbars, because there are a lot of other nutritious things that can be eaten on the go!

Sarada Kakinada said...

not that I have any expertise in this subject or anything, but my feeling is that if you are in the position to have a baby during residency (not intern year, that's just dumb), just do it. you're already in fighting mode, best to just power through it. if you figure in being post-call every 3 days or so, you might be super exhausted, but at least you can say you did get some time with your infant squeezed in. also, you can wear scrubs and crocs as much as you want as your belly and feet swell up, and nobody will say a damn thing about your lack of professional attire. however, this really only works if you have significant family support / unlimited resources for childcare, though.

Sarada Kakinada said...

I would also add that, generally speaking, 4th year of med school is as easy as it will ever get in your life. Ever. If you shoot for delivery in spring, you won't show that much during the interview season, and you'll be able to get plenty of time in with your baby during the first few months, before intern year kicks off. Heck, I only showed up 2 days a week to radiology, which was my last rotation of 4th year. It was awesome. =P

Pregnancy Miracle said...

There is nothing bad about this if you are pregnant such that this is natural process and you should not feel bad about that situation. So carry on and

Katherine said...

I'm just now finding this blog and stumbled onto this post. While I know I'm late - this is one of my most favorite topics! I had twins spring break of my first year! The problem with all of this is over thinking. I could argue pro's and con's to every year. Forth year does seem the ideal time to actual have a newborn, however, then your starting intern year with an infant... Whenever it happens, you just take one day at a time. The lady you described who cried about giving up a fellowship might also cry if you asked about not having her third child too. Children and planning don't go well together - you just do the best you can and be grateful to be in a rewarding profession both as a doctor and a mother. (I could go on and on!)
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MedStudentMommy said...

I am a fourth year medical student. I got pregnant during my third year and had my baby at the very end of third year. It actually worked out pretty great. I got six months off and now I'm doing fourth year over a year and a half. I have extra time to study for boards, time to travel for interviews, and a loving family to come home to at night. I can't say it's not hard trying to study with a soon-to-be one year old screaming at my feet, but I don't regret any of it one bit. I think it's easier to have a baby in school than residency and hopefully I'll have another one once I'm done residency. I always tells people that being a doctor is just my job, my family is my life.
p.s.
And I certainly don't cry when I tell people I decided to go into family practice instead of anesthesia or EM because it's better for myself and my family. Those kind of people should have never had kids to begin with if their career is their top priority.

f7c680f8-aced-11e0-9e20-000bcdcb471e said...

I am in my third year of med school and have a beautiful one-year old boy. I realized I was pregnant right before my very first exam in medical school, it was a HUGE shock, and, needless to say, I didn't do so hot on that exam. I also chose to breastfeed for a full year after he was born, which was the most difficult part - and no, I never, ever even considered drinking my own milk - ew! I often didn't have much time to pump my milk in classbreaks, but I was able to eat at the same time that I was pumping, it just took a little coordination. While I would not suggest to anybody that having a child during medical school is a good idea, it worked out well for me, and I didn't even have to take any time off, because he was born 10 days into my "last summer", and I have an amazing supportive husband that stays home with our son. Money is tight, but we manage. If it weren't for the money issue, I'd want another one during med school, because I think having another one during residency would be way worse, and I am opposed to having an only child. Guess I'll have to wait quite awhile before adding on to our family!

Nadja W said...

Hello
I just found your blog by googling pregnant medical students :]

I'm a fashion designer who makes no money with it and is tired of this shallow industry.
I was actually considering veterinarian med until I found out I would get in as much debt and study as much (including long residency) as if I were studying "human" medicine, except that poor vet people make about 40-60k a year and about 200k in debt so now I'm thinking about going to med school instead which is still interesting to me.

My main concern is I will be "too old" for it. I'm 29 and still finishing my undergrad. I will be 32 by the time I'm done with it.
I need to have kids. I'm frightened just to think about going to med school and having kids but my clock is already ticking. Darn you clock, you could last longer. It's also scary because I don't have a rich husband majoring in something that will make us rich either. We don't have family around, but even if we had I know I couldn't count on my mother in law for any help. My mom can't help either but that's because she is in another country.

Anyways I found the post and the comments from your fellow readers to be very inspiring. I'm sure it's hard but people do it somehow. If you can wait do it. I know I can't.
I'm planning on having my 1st child during my last year of my undergrad studies. It would be nice if I have twins lol but I would like to have at least 3 kids.
I also have to agree with "Med Student Mommy" that some people shouldn't have kids if their careers are they only goal.

Anyways thanks for posting this :]

Nadja

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